What Films Have You Seen Recently?

[Gojirosan]

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

Anime. Completely different median to Cartoons.

No. It isn't. All anime are cartoons, not all cartoons are anime.

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

And yes, what is being depicted is unpleasent. It's ectremely graphic as well, so it make's the 15 rating even more ludicrous.

OK, so maybe a 15 was a little light (I don't know I have never seen it), but I find it EXTREMELY odd that you are OK with actors depicting rape so long as they are older than the parts they play but mere drawings get you riled up. It makes no sense to me.

Edit: I don't want this to go all "A Serbian Film's model baby" again, I was just very confused by the proposition.

[Demoncrat]

Originally Posted by Gojirosan

No. It isn't. All anime are cartoons, not all cartoons are anime.



OK, so maybe a 15 was a little light (I don't know I have never seen it), but I find it EXTREMELY odd that you are OK with actors depicting rape so long as they are older than the parts they play but mere drawings get you riled up. It makes no sense to me.

Hentai. That's all I have to say on this matter

[keirarts]

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

Fair enough. I recommended Afro samurai as I felt it was aimed at an older audience than Samurai Champloo.

And you actualy like Elfin Lied? I can't think of anything that made me more angry in an anime tha, THAT scene. I litteraly wretched when I saw it.
Salo is one thing, but those people where 16-18 at least. It's alot easier to view people of that age in awkward situations. But a lolicon 8 year old? **** that shit.

It wasn't as graphic as you make out, as a concept its horrible but it had a REASON TO BE IN THE FILM, there was context. As I said, the central character is capeable of bringing around human extinction and replacing the human race with diclonians. Each of the human characters is dealing with some horror/trauma in their past that forces them to consider if humanity is worth saving. Add to that the young girl who is raped by her father gets a clear chance for revenge from the agent on the beach who offeres her one free murder as reward for saving his life, she turns it down because unlike her father she's not twisted screwed up and evil and thats why she represents that not all the human race is cruel twisted and evil.

The scene in question isn't lollicon, and its certainly nowhere nearly as bad as some quite mainstream anime fare like moon phase, a series I found WAY more dubious than Elfen lied because it clearly had very strong peadophillic overtones that seemd to present older teenage boys in relationships with pre-teens as somewhow a positive thing.

Its all about context.

[Hawkmonger]

Goji. No. Anime is a completely different median, some dubed anime aimed at american audiences are classed at cartooons, but all anime originates from Japan, and is a median in an of itself.

And it's not what is being depicted that I don't like, it's the age.
The victims in Salo are playing 16-17 year olds, no matter what you consider a minor or not THATS ADULT AGE IN THE EYE'S OF THE LAW.
The child in Elfin Lied is, yes, a drawing, but there is a deffinit difference between a young adult and a drokking 8 year old RAPED BY HER OWN FATHER!
What's worse? The next scene show's the girl's mother beating her and blaming her for the reason as to why her husband doesn't get it on with her any more. **** this show, condemn all who worked pn it and burn any copy's in site. Oh, and at least salo has a competant story and moral, Elfin Lied is nothing more than a vapid soulles object, Like Bela from Twishite.

[PaulD]

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

Elfin Lied is nothing more than a vapid soulles object, Like Bela from Twishite.

LEAVE MY BELLA OUT OF IT!

[keirarts]

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

Goji. No. Anime is a completely different median, some dubed anime aimed at american audiences are classed at cartooons, but all anime originates from Japan, and is a median in an of itself.

And it's not what is being depicted that I don't like, it's the age.
The victims in Salo are playing 16-17 year olds, no matter what you consider a minor or not THATS ADULT AGE IN THE EYE'S OF THE LAW.
The child in Elfin Lied is, yes, a drawing, but there is a deffinit difference between a young adult and a drokking 8 year old RAPED BY HER OWN FATHER!
What's worse? The next scene show's the girl's mother beating her and blaming her for the reason as to why her husband doesn't get it on with her any more. **** this show, condemn all who worked pn it and burn any copy's in site. Oh, and at least salo has a competant story and moral, Elfin Lied is nothing more than a vapid soulles object, Like Bela from Twishite.

So you didnt understand it so it should be burned and everyone elses opinions be damnned eh?
Thats a dangerous road to go down.

[Gojirosan]

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

Goji. No. Anime is a completely different median, some dubed anime aimed at american audiences are classed at cartooons, but all anime originates from Japan, and is a median in an of itself.

Again. No. This makes no sense whatsoever. A cartoon in this sense means an animated motion picture. End of. All anime are cartoons. End of.

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

And it's not what is being depicted that I don't like, it's the age.
The victims in Salo are playing 16-17 year olds, no matter what you consider a minor or not THATS ADULT AGE IN THE EYE'S OF THE LAW.
The child in Elfin Lied is, yes, a drawing, but there is a deffinit difference between a young adult and a drokking 8 year old RAPED BY HER OWN FATHER!
What's worse? The next scene show's the girl's mother beating her and blaming her for the reason as to why her husband doesn't get it on with her any more. **** this show, condemn all who worked pn it and burn any copy's in site. Oh, and at least salo has a competant story and moral, Elfin Lied is nothing more than a vapid soulles object, Like Bela from Twishite.

Again, I cannot get a handle on your mindset at all. in fact, it frightens me more than a little when you go into the "condemn all who worked pn it and burn any copy's in site" thing.

It's a drawing. It's a film. It's not real.

[PaulD]

Originally Posted by Gojirosan

Again, I cannot get a handle on your mindset at all. in fact, it frightens me more than a little when you go into the "condemn all who worked pn it and burn any copy's in site" thing.

Yeah, it's all a bit 'Video Nasties' this isn't it?. It's exactly the same outraged mindset

[Hawkmonger]

No, I understood it. The explanations where utter tosh only holding relevance to the plot, no empaphy could be felt between any of the characters at all. Lucy, the serial killer with the dual personality complex, the wincest couple (...), and the little girl who drown's herself to ecape the horrid world she live's in where ass hat's are happy to be payed to terminate minors. No one has any kind of interesting personality trait that make's us like them, and because of this the 'moral' of the story is completely negated. In the end of the day it was just an unpleasent gore and nudity fest with a handful of truely unpleasent scenes. Now mindless gore and nudity I relish, but when it's coupled with genuine malice, it's just pointless and grating.

[Demoncrat]

I think that before we start handing out the pitchforks, please remember that Salo was derided at the time, for similar "reasons". Some people clearly are uncomfortable with watching unsettling imagery outside what they consider to be a "ordinary" setting...i.e. Anime/cartoons/stop motion ETC. I won't recommend Where The Dead Go To Die then...but will plug Paranoia Agent, Perfect Blue, Paprika till the proverbial creatures with udders come home.