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gag 29th March 2009 09:16 PM

I think they should only do remakes if
1 the film is old and needs a new make over EG peter jackson king kong
i thought was realy good only thing that spoiled it 4 me is when they was sliding about on the ice b4 the army starting shooting at kong it was does so sopppy imo

2 if the person who going to the remake is a decent r good director eg again peter jackson king kong

I hate a lot of remakes when they r just made for the sake of it
with no thought r anything i stated in a thread somewhere i saw day earth stood still on a plane journey it lacked everything,to me all it was was a hollywood remake with famous ppl and billion zillion special effects and thats it. it was a pointless crap bore remake

Pete 30th March 2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gory daz (Post 24572)
i would'nt think it will be as raw and cold as the original.

Or as boring!

The Reaper Man@Cult Labs 30th March 2009 08:15 PM

Nice Avatar Loopo.....calm down,calm down......:D

JAMIOUSE 30th March 2009 08:30 PM

There's a few remakes there I like, I picked The Hills Have Eyes though. I think it's a great piece of modern horror cinema, truely disturbing, very graphic and well shot. I do prefer the remake of Night Of The Living over the original, Barbara's general lack of doing nothing in the original annoys the hell out of me. At least in the remake she kicks ass!

Peter Neal 31st March 2009 05:10 AM

I think Savini's "Night" remake is slowly starting to get the appreciation it deserves. And yes, I'm also one of those who take the 1990 version over the Romero original for my own viewing pleasure.:)

siccoyote 31st March 2009 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JAMIOUSE (Post 24780)
I do prefer the remake of Night Of The Living over the original, Barbara's general lack of doing nothing in the original annoys the hell out of me. At least in the remake she kicks ass!

Actually that was one of the things that initially turned me off the remake I thought her being in shock from what happened was perfectly natural whereas her remake version was a bit Ripley-Womens-Lib-Esque

But I didn't mind it when I saw it in full, I'd probably show the remake rather than the original to people new to it.

Pete 1st April 2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by reaper72 (Post 24778)
Nice Avatar Loopo.....calm down,calm down......:D

I done it just for Cloud:D

killfinger 14th April 2009 11:50 AM

I quite enjoyed the remake of Friday the 13th! Saw it in a theatre packed with young runts and it worked surprisingly good!

in a tasteless self plug, you can read about it here (and why I feel that it works so well...):D

http://constructinghorror.com/index.php?id=147

bedorca 16th April 2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by killfinger (Post 25489)
Saw it in a theatre packed with young runts

:rofl:

Love it :D

Peter Neal 10th June 2009 02:27 PM

"The Funhouse" remake by Eli Roth and "Straw Dogs" lined up for a redux?


http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/06/...-the-funhouse/

Imho: Why not?:D:)

In the case of "Straw Dogs": I would very much like to see Edward Norton in the Dustin Hoffman role...but I gues the studio will have a slightly different idea:p

DeadAlive 10th June 2009 04:06 PM

Personally I don't like the idea of a "Straw Dogs " remake. I love the original too much....... though I could see Edward Norton in the lead role. :confused:

Pete 11th June 2009 12:07 PM

I dont like the Idea of Straw Dogs being remade either.

And they best not remake The Wild Bunch!!

Peter Neal 11th June 2009 02:32 PM

I'm open for the "Straw Dogs" redux- but this one will be really hit or failure depending on the leads' casting.:)

gag 14th June 2009 08:51 PM

I know there not exactly horror etc but here a few films i just read on the net that r being made
tron 2,
ghostbusters 3,
beverly hills cop 4 dont know about any 1 else these films wernt fantastic but there the only films i liked with eddie murphy in every thing else he been in imo is total crap..
robocop remake..
another rambo any 1 seen the last 1 ive not seen it yet...
another superman...and goonies....
another 2 terminators r in the pipeline ..
untouchables
and A team

Ive also heard and im not sure on these cant remember where i read this...hellraiser ...basket case ..and videodrome


Like i said somewhere in another thread is the film industry realy running out of ideas that they have to keep relying on remakes or sequels of old films

Angel 14th June 2009 08:55 PM

There's also going to be a Raging Bull 2.

vincenzo 14th June 2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel (Post 30937)
There's also going to be a Raging Bull 2.

'Bull' being the appropriate word. Utterly senseless. :ack:

Pete 15th June 2009 11:58 AM

I like the idea of Ghostbusters 3.

The Reaper Man@Cult Labs 15th June 2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel (Post 30937)
There's also going to be a Raging Bull 2.

Raging Hog?:D

If that ain't a wind up Angel,then it's a sad state of affairs in Hollywood indeed...:(

Peter Neal 18th June 2009 04:32 PM

The trailer for the "Stepfather" remake:

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer...father/trailer

Apart from the "PG-13" note, this looks alright to me...so far.:o

Angel 18th June 2009 04:48 PM

That PG 13 sounds a little bit worrying. Could end up with a 12 here.

Peter Neal 18th June 2009 04:52 PM

And a "15" in Finland...and a "16" or even "18" in Germany.:p

The most worrying detail is that it's directed by the same guy, who gave us the "Prom Night" remake:eek:

Well, I like the Stepfather formula...so I guess hope dies last....:popcorn:

Angel 18th June 2009 04:58 PM

Well that doesn't surprise me then. I didn't realise it was the same guy who directed Prom Night (again rated PG 13), but he clearly is opposed to strong, graphic violence, judging by his comments on the UK DVD, and that's why Prom Night was so tame.

Thankfully he wasn't given the job of directing the I Spit on Your Grave remake.

Make Them Die Slowly 21st June 2009 03:07 PM

I've read that "The Bride of Frankenstein" is to be remade.No!

bizarre_eye@Cult Labs 21st June 2009 03:40 PM

...yes I'd heard that too :ack:

Other up-and-coming re-makes that I know are being made are:

- Crazies
- Evil Dead
- Night of the Demons
- Nightmare on Elm Street
- Plan 9
- Predator (Imaginatively called Predators)
- Sorority Row
- Stepfather
- Wolfman

Whether any of them will be any good is another matter...

Make Them Die Slowly 21st June 2009 08:41 PM

I'm wondering what a remake of "Plan 9" would be like,would you aim to make a better or worse film?

vincenzo 21st June 2009 09:39 PM

The filming of Plan 9 as seen in the brilliant Ed Wood is the best possible tribute. :cool:

Make Them Die Slowly 21st June 2009 10:20 PM

"Ed Wood" is one of the best films I've seen about film making and the only Burton film that has any real warmth and depth to it.

Angel 22nd June 2009 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly (Post 31488)
I'm wondering what a remake of "Plan 9" would be like,would you aim to make a better or worse film?

Yes what happens if the remake turns out to be any good, acting, film making-wise etc. Won't do the original much justice then. Presumably they will try and make the film as bad as they can. In that way people won't be disappointed.

Make Them Die Slowly 22nd June 2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel (Post 31498)
Yes what happens if the remake turns out to be any good, acting, film making-wise etc. Won't do the original much justice then. Presumably they will try and make the film as bad as they can. In that way people won't be disappointed.

I find it rather depressing that "Plan 9" is to be remade.Ed Wood is such an easy target to mock.

Peter Neal 17th October 2009 07:20 PM

Hmmm, I'm usually very open minded when it comes to remakes, but this "Fangoria" review of "The Stepfather" redux makes me carefully prepare for the worst...:eek::

http://www.fangoria.com/reviews/2-fi...lm-review.html

One should always make up their own minds though: I'll watch it anyway and be it only for mere complettist's reasons...:rolleyes::laugh:

Rob Strange 17th October 2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly (Post 31490)
"Ed Wood" is one of the best films I've seen about film making and the only Burton film that has any real warmth and depth to it.

Completely agree. It's Burton's best by a mile, and up there among my favourites. Martin Landau as Bela Logosi is superb.

Of the remakes on the list, the only ones I can really tolerate are Night and Dawn, and neither of them are especially good. Dawn 04 is way too contrived for my liking, and I'm no fan of the MTV style (or running dead folk). :rant: ;) Savini's Night does have some neat variations from Romero's original.

Actually, The Hills Have Eyes remake isn't too bad - has some pretty intense moments.

Other than Cronenberg's The Fly, has there ever been a truly worthy remake of a horror flick?

vincenzo 18th October 2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Strange (Post 44871)
Other than Cronenberg's The Fly, has there ever been a truly worthy remake of a horror flick?

The 1978 Invasion Of The Body Snatchers was excellent and in some ways an improvement on the original for me. I also enjoyed the remakes of The Thing and The Blob. Cat People had its moments as well, though too many of them.

Tobe Hooper's remake of Invaders From Mars was abysmal.

42ndStreetFreak 18th October 2009 12:43 AM

"Invasion of the Body Snatchers" as it brought something new to the story and the advanced technical side helped in the FX they were able to pull off.


"The Fly". Cronenberg's film is perhaps the best arguement on why some remakes are valid.
The original was an anonymous Studio B picture with primitive FX and no real personality.
The remake had a very distinct Director's stamp, vastly spread the story's canvas and was able to achieve so much more due to the stronger censorship rules and technical FX advances.


"The Thing" - Again see above for most of the reasoning.
And importantly it was not strictly a remake anyway. It was simply a much more faithful adaptation of the original story, as it used the main idea (replicas) from it.
Hell it does not even have the same title.

And for certain the massive advancement in FX capabilities and what could be shown (as with "The Fly") made it something very different from the original that, VITALLY offered something more.



And that doing something very different and offering something more is why most remakes are utterly pointless.
The love ends here!

i mean for ****'s sake! The remake of "Dawn of the Dead" (from what i have read...I will never see it and support it) went out as an 'R' and actually lacked the graphic flesh eating, chunk ripping FX of the original.
So the point is?
Christ going by that alone, the film offered less than the original...not more. Validity is lost.
Despite the budget Romero's film also had huge scope and scale as well, so that was in no need of expanding either.

Also the original "Dawn" (or the others) is not a lost and obscure film that no one can see.
So even that one crumb of validity is lost.

What extra are we offered, what advances and unique style do we get from the putrid remake likes of "Dawn", "TCM", "Hills have Eyes"?
Just rent or buy the originals.

"Halloween" remake?
Again...it offered something less, something tired and overused.
It gave us a damn redneck 'my momma used to hit me' psychobabble Myers! **** me! Zombie had already done this kind of killer in HIS OWN first 2 (damn good) movies, let alone the dozens that had come years before.
Whereas Carpenter gave us a far more mysterious and unexplained killer. A seemingly normal child from a solid, upstanding urban environment of white picket fences and Girl Guide cookies.
'Daddy used to touch me' Cletus crud was not needed or welcome in it's killer's psychiatric make-up.

It upped the gore and violence...but the original never strived for to be that gory or violent in the first place. It could have been if it wanted to be. But it didn't want to be.
So in this case the extra censorship and FX freedoms that were valid for "The Thing" say...are not here. As they were not MISSING from the original...they were never meant to be part of it.

Also...whereas sequels are known as sequels (that '2' or '3' is a vital element to a film's title as far as identity goes) and as such exist side by side with the originals, or 'based around an original' film has a completely different title (say "House of 1000 Corpses") remakes tend to replace and usurp the original in the younger public's eye and, most shockingly, in history.
Do we want future generations to far more frequently know "Dawn of the Dead" as that film from 2004??!!

Rob Strange 18th October 2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vincenzo (Post 44897)
The 1978 Invasion Of The Body Snatchers was excellent and in some ways an improvement on the original for me. I also enjoyed the remakes of The Thing and The Blob. Cat People had its moments as well, though too many of them.

Good calls on each of them. How could I have missed The Thing? :doh: :lol:

I agree that Cat People also has its charms.

Vampix 19th October 2009 01:59 PM

Out of the new batch of remakes The Hills Have Eyes and Dawn of the Dead are my favourites.My favourite ever remakes (that all improve on the originals imo) are the 1978 Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Thing and The Fly. :)

Gojirosan 19th October 2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Strange (Post 44871)
Other than Cronenberg's The Fly, has there ever been a truly worthy remake of a horror flick?

Herzog's Nosferatu The Vampyre is certainly worthy - quite excellent (but bewarned, I am a Herzog fanboy).

I also rated the remake of The Hills Have Eyes, which I was expecting to hate because a) I generally hate remakes and b) I love the original.

I would also add Carpenter's The Thing, Abel Ferrara's version of Body Snatchers, (and maybe the 1978 Kaufman one too, though I think folk over-rate it personally) and Scorsese's OK take on Cape Fear.

The only ones I think actually improve on the original though are The Fly and The Thing.

Gojirosan 19th October 2009 02:12 PM

OH, and I thought the US version of The Ring was very good indeed. Quite under-rated by most...apart from all that nonsense with the dead horses! :laugh:

I have especially disliked the remakes of The Amityville Horror, The Grudge, The Haunting...and I completely despise the remake of Dawn Of The Dead which I found to be a witless, lazy, overly flashy, badly performed, predictable, poorly conceived waste of time. An all-time clunker.

I have never been able to watch the remakes of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Wicker Man or Assault On Precinct 13 - partly because of my experience with the Dawn... remake but mostly because they are utterly redundant and pointless - the originals having nothing lacking.

gag 19th October 2009 04:15 PM

I total despise any type of japanese horror remakes :ack:
Mainly because the remakes lack every thing the original doesnt
and americans just think that by chucking money special efffects and a famous actor that they can get away with it THEY CANT! :der:

vincenzo 19th October 2009 04:22 PM

The Blob remake is also worth checking out. Great fun.

Rob Strange 19th October 2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gojirosan (Post 45098)
OH, and I thought the US version of The Ring was very good indeed. Quite under-rated by most...apart from all that nonsense with the dead horses! :laugh:

I agree in as much that taken on its own, the remake works fairly well. But compared to the atmospheric, taut original, I find it inferior in pretty much every way. Especially the misjudged CG 'enhancements'. And the Black Beauty nonsense on the ship. ;)

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Originally Posted by Gojirosan (Post 45098)
...and I completely despise the remake of Dawn Of The Dead which I found to be a witless, lazy, overly flashy, badly performed, predictable, poorly conceived waste of time. An all-time clunker.

Whilst I don't mind the Dawn remake, I do agree with your criticisms of the film. If I want a high-speed zombie flick with 'runners', I'll throw on 28 Weeks Later. Much better stuff.


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