The Doctor Who Thread

[Susan Foreman]

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

Wasn't the original rumour something about episode featuring Troughton AND Hartnell being re-discovered?

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

No such thing surely? Wasn't episode 4 of The Tenth Planet discovered already?

You misunderstood me, Mr. Monger

I meant stories featuring Troughton and also stories featuring Hartnell, not a single story where they both appear

And no, 'The Tenth Planet' episode 4 is still missing...unless they just haven't announed it yet!

[Hawkmonger]

Ah, I see! We'll the beeb has said there is more news to come. Fingers crossed for Marco Polo and The Macra Terror.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

I'm fairly sure in my mind they will be working on others now. The knowledgable ones at Gallifrey Base who have been correct about everything so far, seemed to think Marco Polo had also been returned. I would expect an announcement for that at press release with some of Hartnell's companions in the new year.

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

Wasn't the original rumour something about episode featuring Troughton AND Hartnell being re-discovered?

[Mojo]

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[Gothmogxx]

What an awesome clip! Just shows how great Troughton really was and how much we were missing! Watching him cheerfully jump around in the water makes me want to cry! Is that bad? No! This has been gone for 45 years and to have it back...

[Gothmogxx]

And now that they are being viewed in context, it's surprising to see that the Enemy of the World is getting a better reaction than The Web of Fear.

[Gothmogxx]

Originally Posted by Hawkmonger

Ah, I see! We'll the beeb has said there is more news to come. Fingers crossed for Marco Polo and The Macra Terror.

"There are no Macra!"

[Susan Foreman]

I have just received the DVD of 'The Tenth Planet'

Episode 4 is animated, and not the actual recording

I was hoping they were going to surprise us by releasing it with a live action episode!

[Susan Foreman]

Doctor Who: YOUR best theories on Steven Moffat's missing regeneration clue | Radio Times

"We at RadioTimes.com love you Doctor who fans. When it comes to passion, insight and dedication, few can match you.

So we knew that when we published our story about Steven Moffat’s pronouncement on the Doctor’s supposed 12 regeneration limit that you couldn’t resist wondering what he meant. And wondering in some detail.

“I think you should go back to your DVDs and count correctly this time," said Moffat. "There’s something you’ve all missed.”

Well you all had some interesting theories about what he means as our comments section testifies. And while we cannot consider every single one of your brilliant - and let's be honest, occasionally off the wall - theories, here are a selection.

For Mohammed Habib the issue is clear: “The doctor has only regenerated 11 times (including Peter Capaldi). The doctor has 13 regeneration. Not 13 bodies. People think because there has been 12 doctor's there have been 12 regeneration's. nobody regenerated into William Hartnell.”

Well that would solve matters, if he is right, and there's a certain logic there. But for some of you there haven’t even been that many regenerations.

Ryou_Bakura postulates the fascinating theory that Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee are – wait for it – one and the same Doctors.

As he explains: "'The War Games' Patrick Troughton's last story. [spoilers] He didn't regenerate. He was exiled to Earth. The Doctor said that was dangerous because he would be recognized too easily. So The Time Lords altered his appearance. Not technically a regeneration.”

In a similar vein Mick Snowden deploys some clever thinking about the word regeneration, claiming “when the 1st Doctor regenerated in The Tenth Planet, his successor referred to it as a ‘rejuvenation’”.

Suggesting that TARDIS-assisted ‘rejuvenations' may be different to bona fide regenerations he posits the theory that Patrick Troughton and William Hartnell are one and the same Doctor – Troughton being a “rejuvenated” Harntell.

And because Troughton's Doctor is then exiled and his appearance merely altered according to the theory then “Jon Pertwee is still the 1st Doctor” And on the theory goes meaning that Eccleston is actually the fifth Doctor and, with TARDIS assisted rejuvenations still not counting and with all those recent Doctor "rejuvenating" in the trusty blue box, then, wait for it, Matt Smith is still the fifth Doctor.

Or at least I think that's the idea and it's one which gives the Doctor plenty of deaths before he's in trouble.

A good many of you focus on River Song and the donations of her regenerations to the Doctor. You differ a lot in your views on this but the upshot would be that he has many more than the allocated 12 thanks to her generosity.

But if Jonathan Evan Stern is to be believed Capaldi could just be the fourth Doctor. Whooah there. Here goes:

“Perhaps a fellow Time Lord gave up his body to John Hurt's Doctor in order to end the Time War making Christopher Eccleston the first life in this regeneration cycle. That would make Peter Capaldi the 4th.”

Eagle eyed fan Karla Bradley13 claims to spotted a reference by Matt Smith’s Doctor that “he could regenerate 200 and something times” and saying that “another Doctor” said it was “just a law on Gallifrey”

Which Doctor Karla? And is this really true? If so and if it is "just a law on Gallifrey" it is a law which can easily be broken then?

But what of John Hurt’s Doctor? The missing Doctor who will be appearing in the fiftieth anniversary episode? Considering we don’t even know, er Who he is – well that hasn’t stopped you thinking.

"What if John Hurt is the older version of the 10'th doctor (the one who was left with Rose)?” asks Mary Tcholadze. “But in that case Capaldi will still be 13th.”

10th? Twelfth? Fourth? My head is hurting now.

Ultimately however, Moffat can probably do pretty much what he likes. Time can be bent, rules can be superseded. It is fantastic make believe after all, as Christopher Culbertson makes clear:

“Perhaps we will see hurt regenerate into Eccleston, who knows...thing about wibbly wobbly, timey wimey is Moffatt can go through and find the gaps in the history and put whatever he wants in there.”

As long as we don’t count Peter Cushing’s Doctor, then?

Or Rowan Atkinson’s in the Comic Relief skit Doctor Who and the Curse of the Fatal Death when he regenerates into Richard E Grant and then Hugh Grant and then Joanna Lumley?

Back to you guys..."

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

My regeneration theory has always been - Each Time Lord had 13 regenerations. If a Time Lord died their remaining regenerations would get thrown back into the Matrix or something to be used by the remaining Time Lords.

Seeing as all the Time Lords are dead (maybe) this would give the Doctor and The Master and whoever survived the Time War the remainder of the regenerations to go at. Thats why River can basically change at will as there are still millions of regenerations floating around the Matrix.

Thats how i would destroy the myth.