The Beyond –The Technical Debate

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by Nosferatu@Cult Labs

Just because you ask a question, doesn't mean you will receive an answer!

It would only be courteous, in this instance, to deliver an answer.

Also no need to speak to me like I'm a child. I'm 41.

[Nosferatu@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Jonny

It would only be courteous, in this instance, to deliver an answer.

Also no need to speak to me like I'm a child. I'm 41.

I was planning on being courteous and the statement to which you are referring was aimed at me, thinking of the worst and that I wouldn't receive an answer!

Sorry for any offence caused.

[the blob]

I haven't cancelled my pre-order but I'll be honest, if it's B & W then it's a big disappointment and I do believe that it's something that really should be corrected. It'll be a big shame because the caps look pretty good to me otherwise. Looking around, the issue is definitely causing a big stir as I'd expect.

[junyab]

Originally Posted by ytsejam1138

An early review (linked in the review thread) with screenshots, shows the pre-credit sequence in B&W, in all previous releases it has been in sepia tone.

What's up with this?

WHA?!?!?!


this is really disappointing

[Stephen@Cult Labs]

It's really strange that the sequence is in B&W. Hopefully the released version will be corrected and have the sequence in sepia. So lets all take it easy until we get some kind of official word from Arrow please.

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by Nosferatu@Cult Labs

I was planning on being courteous and the statement to which you are referring was aimed at me, thinking of the worst and that I wouldn't receive an answer!

Sorry for any offence caused.

No worries.

[Snatcher42]

It's easy to turn a B&W image sepia. Not so easy to turn a sepia image B&W. Maybe the review disc didn't had the final color correction pass? I'll keep my fingers crossed.

To be honest, I'm more worried about the whole film being a little too bright and washed out, loosing some of the atmosphere. Then again, the details in these shots are a revelation!

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

It's easy to turn a B&W image sepia. Not so easy to turn a sepia image B&W. Maybe the review disc didn't had the final color correction pass? I'll keep my fingers crossed.

It was filmed in colour* and turned sepia for the release prints. So it's likely that the sepia image was turned B&W, your 'not see easy' option, by whoever created the review discs.

*The full colour version of this sequence is available as an extra feature on the Anchor Bay US DVD

[evilzombie20]

I'm honestly perfectly content with it being in either black and white or sepia. It's really not a huge deal to me.

Not only is Arrow giving us the best presentation of the film thus far, but they're providing us with every extra they could get their hands on and then some, not to mention there is more picture information on their release compared to the US release which that alone makes it a must buy for me.

I understand preserving the film's original intended quality and overall effect, but I can't see how switching from sepia tone to black and white or going from black and white to sepia tone makes THAT huge of a difference in the overall effectiveness of the piece or of the experience of enjoying the film.

I'm sure there's a reason Arrow went this route, it's doubtful they just wanted to see what would happen if they messed with the color timing just for kicks - maybe this is how the picture looked on the master they were supplied, maybe this is how someone from the film told them they felt that this is how it should have looked like, whatever the reason may be - I highly doubt Arrow expected any kind of backlash like they appear to be receiving and I'm sure their reasons are justified.

With that said, I'm buying this day one for sure, no question. It's the only release on Blu Ray this film has - and even if it does get released here, who's to say it would have anymore extras - in most cases the US releases compared to Arrow's are missing an abundance of extras - or the prints wouldn't be identical??? This could just be how the HD master was conceived and from now on this is how the film will look. What if it's the same transfer Grindhouse was using from 1998 only upconverted to 1080p? All they did for the new HD transfer on the more recent disc was sharpen the picture a bit - they could simply do that again for the Blu Ray release; if they release it at all.

So I'm not sitting by idly waiting for someone else to release it "proper", this release looks like it's going to be more than a worthy addition to any horrorphile's collection - regardless of a potential simple color timing botch, intentional or unintentional.

[junyab]

Originally Posted by evilzombie20

I understand preserving the film's original intended quality and overall effect, but I can't see how switching from sepia tone to black and white or going from black and white to sepia tone makes THAT huge of a difference in the overall effectiveness of the piece or of the experience of enjoying the film.

If there isn't "THAT huge of a difference" then there is no point in making the switch from sepia to B&W. And therefore, the importance should be preserving the original look of the film.