Down These Mean Streets A Man Must Go - The Film Noir Thread

[Make Them Die Slowly]

Frankie, just remembered I started this thread for noir and hard boiled crime fiction and films.

[Frankie Teardrop]

MTDS - Yeah, the Raymond stuff - I've never read any, but I was aware of him "at the time" (I guess I mean around back when he did the Gallon Drunk collab). He always seemed like an intriguing character - sounded like he had a 'literary' career, kind of, went a bit underground in a post Aristocratic low level crim kind of way then resurfaced with that really bleak neo-noir quartet before he checked out. I've been meaning to get some of work for ages, but for some reason never have. Intrigued to learn about the potential TV adaptions, although that would make sense in a post David Peace kind of way.
(Good thread BTW)

[Make Them Die Slowly]

Anyone read Andrew Vachss? The Official Website of Andrew Vachss : The Zero 5.0laf

[Make Them Die Slowly]

Originally Posted by Frankie Teardrop

MTDS - Yeah, the Raymond stuff - I've never read any, but I was aware of him "at the time" (I guess I mean around back when he did the Gallon Drunk collab). He always seemed like an intriguing character - sounded like he had a 'literary' career, kind of, went a bit underground in a post Aristocratic low level crim kind of way then resurfaced with that really bleak neo-noir quartet before he checked out. I've been meaning to get some of work for ages, but for some reason never have. Intrigued to learn about the potential TV adaptions, although that would make sense in a post David Peace kind of way.
(Good thread BTW)

The problem I imagine at the time with the alleged TV series would have been some of the imagery, some very sexual and graphic. It would also be hard to capture the very British seediness of the books and the bleakness.

[Make Them Die Slowly]

This is a real good book on American hard boiled writers of the 80s when the genre had a bit of a resurgence.

[Frankie Teardrop]

Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly

The problem I imagine at the time with the alleged TV series would have been some of the imagery, some very sexual and graphic. It would also be hard to capture the very British seediness of the books and the bleakness.

Probably end up quite diluted, as you suggest. But you know, 'grim seediness' is selling those novels to me. As well, prose is prose - you can never really ever adapt, because very often the feeling is in the texture of the language.

[Make Them Die Slowly]

Originally Posted by Frankie Teardrop

Probably end up quite diluted, as you suggest. But you know, 'grim seediness' is selling those novels to me. As well, prose is prose - you can never really ever adapt, because very often the feeling is in the texture of the language.

Are they still in print?

[Frankie Teardrop]

Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly

Are they still in print?

What, Derek Raymond? Yeah, looking at what's on Amazon. A lot of his old stuff too by the looks of it.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Frankie Teardrop

What, Derek Raymond?

Bugger!!

I thought you meant Paul.

I'd just ordered a load of 70's editions of Mayfair so i could join in the chat.

[Make Them Die Slowly]

I might have to get them too. I had to get rid of all my crime novels, over 1000 of them when the boy MTDS was born as I had them in what would be his bedroom.